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Da se bavim teškim varaličarenjem, ne bi bežao od ovakvog Kineza. Cena bednih 300$ na Aliexpressu.

A na pecanje pođeš u kožnoj jakni bokserici, kajla prst debela, gornji deo trenerke opasan u farmerke i dole Najke "dvojka".   :lol:
Šalim se, ovo joj je ispod haube. Sve je rezano iz komada na CNC mašini, mehanizam sve čelik, ako ne lažu 11 ležaja i 25 kg drag-a.
Šta da kažem, ćutim i trpim.   :sad:

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Manji modeli mogu da se nadju i za oko 200$ sto je smesna cena u odnosu na kvalitet https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Lurekiller-CNC-full-metal-Jigging-reel-saltwater-spinning-reel-slow-jigging-reel-ocean-fishing-reel-30kgs/32723035537.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10000560_10000606_10000561_10000073_10000074_10000608_10000709_10000660_10000704_10000703_10000175_10000509_10000507_10000505_10000558_10136_10000068_10000552_10000369_10000063_10000365_10000367_10099_10000663_10000665_10096_10000669_10000569_10000097_10000094_10000337_10000723_10000090_10000147_10000091_10000726_10000144_10000339_10000150_10000679_10084_10000678_10083_10000676_10080_10000153_10082_10000673_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10000535_10114_10000534_10000089_10000086_10000710_10000083_10000349_10000690_10000135_10000716_10000080_10000693_10078_10079_10000717_10077_10000688_10073_10000684_10000140_10070_10122_10123_10126_10124_10000546_10065_10068_10000132_10000033_10000030_10000026_10000126_10000023_10000129_10000123_10000696_10060_9973_10062_10000699_10056_10055_10054_10000632_302_10059_10000120_10000020_10000013_10000117_10103_10102_10000016_10000114_10000111_10052_10053_10107_10050_10106_10051_10000621_10000384_10000629_10000101_10000100_10000576_10000579_10000104_10000045_10000578_10000375_10000108_10000377_10000612_10000390_10000613_10000042_10000592_10000594_10000039_10000587_10000036_10000389_10000187-9973,searchweb201603_4,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_price_desc&btsid=3c04026f-ba49-4a62-9708-145aedd0c909&algo_expid=bc7b5df9-8550-4d0a-ba03-173ed46863db-2&algo_pvid=bc7b5df9-8550-4d0a-ba03-173ed46863db (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Lurekiller-CNC-full-metal-Jigging-reel-saltwater-spinning-reel-slow-jigging-reel-ocean-fishing-reel-30kgs/32723035537.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10000560_10000606_10000561_10000073_10000074_10000608_10000709_10000660_10000704_10000703_10000175_10000509_10000507_10000505_10000558_10136_10000068_10000552_10000369_10000063_10000365_10000367_10099_10000663_10000665_10096_10000669_10000569_10000097_10000094_10000337_10000723_10000090_10000147_10000091_10000726_10000144_10000339_10000150_10000679_10084_10000678_10083_10000676_10080_10000153_10082_10000673_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10000535_10114_10000534_10000089_10000086_10000710_10000083_10000349_10000690_10000135_10000716_10000080_10000693_10078_10079_10000717_10077_10000688_10073_10000684_10000140_10070_10122_10123_10126_10124_10000546_10065_10068_10000132_10000033_10000030_10000026_10000126_10000023_10000129_10000123_10000696_10060_9973_10062_10000699_10056_10055_10054_10000632_302_10059_10000120_10000020_10000013_10000117_10103_10102_10000016_10000114_10000111_10052_10053_10107_10050_10106_10051_10000621_10000384_10000629_10000101_10000100_10000576_10000579_10000104_10000045_10000578_10000375_10000108_10000377_10000612_10000390_10000613_10000042_10000592_10000594_10000039_10000587_10000036_10000389_10000187-9973,searchweb201603_4,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_price_desc&btsid=3c04026f-ba49-4a62-9708-145aedd0c909&algo_expid=bc7b5df9-8550-4d0a-ba03-173ed46863db-2&algo_pvid=bc7b5df9-8550-4d0a-ba03-173ed46863db)

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Kineski Van Stall,mislim da vredi svaki cent velicina 400,za nase uslove prava,pitaj boga koliko to moze da traje :thumbup:

 Već mašinica u veličini 3000, mislim da može da odradi težak džig i glavinjare, a pri srednjem varaličarenju smuđa, štuke, našeg prosečnog somčeta, možda bi bila besmrtna. Mišljenje argumentujem kapacitetom 3jke od 250jardi (1 yard = 0,911m) upredenice 15lb ili 180 od 20lb ili 130 od 30 lb, i težinom od 375gr.

Potpuno se slazem sa tobom kolega, pre bi puko novce na ovu makinu u velicini 3-4000 nego na Ticu Talisman recimo.

Za te pare,pa i malo skuplje ova masinica jedino ima pandan u Rhino Black Cat Batle Cat 7400, pricam za slatkovodni ribolov jer je rhino za to pravljen,jeftiniji je pa je i nekvalitetniji.Inace,za ostale kod nas poznate masine kod nas do te cene pa i malo skuplje, mislim da ih ove dve mogu pokidati u delove.Kakve daiwe,shimano,penovi ovo je Ljuti Celik.

Samo strpljivo druze, cene padaju pa vec mogu da se namaknu za 130-150$ uz free shiping za modele 3-4000 :tongue:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Lizard-fishing-stainless-gear-ball-bearings-body-etc-spinning-reel-used-for-lake-or-sea-jigging/32717512890.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Lizard-fishing-stainless-gear-ball-bearings-body-etc-spinning-reel-used-for-lake-or-sea-jigging/32717512890.html)

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Nešto mi je ovo čudno, da ne kažem sumnjivo.
Meni ovo kućište liči ne na rezano iz komada već na odlivak, i to loš, faličan, koji je naknadno doteran glodačkim alatima.
Da su glodački alati radili vidi se po tragovima reznog alata kod zelene strelice.
A da je i gde je liv loš, pokazuju crvene strelice. Čak i "rezani" pogonski zupčanik liči na obrađeni loš liv, vidi kod crvene strelice.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/n8ckhogc3/Singnol.jpg)

 Slika može i da prevari. Meni to pogotovo na pogonskom zupčaniku liči na reljef koji pravi mast. Ali ne mora da znači.

umeju to Kinezi i pedantno da odrade za saku sustavih zelembaca...

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Citat: slob poslato 04 Mart 2017, 21:44:25
Nešto mi je ovo čudno, da ne kažem sumnjivo.
Meni ovo kućište liči ne na rezano iz komada već na odlivak, i to loš, faličan, koji je naknadno doteran glodačkim alatima.
Da su glodački alati radili vidi se po tragovima reznog alata kod zelene strelice.
A da je i gde je liv loš, pokazuju crvene strelice. Čak i "rezani" pogonski zupčanik liči na obrađeni loš liv, vidi kod crvene strelice.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/n8ckhogc3/Singnol.jpg)

Slob me neprestano iznenađuje...    :clap2:   
Mrlja na pogonskom zaista liči na mast. Za kućište nam trebaju bolje slike. Međutim, ove slike pokazuju nešto drugo.
Pogonski zupčanik sa linka koji je postavio Germina (to nije pogonski Singnola, ali jeste kineski )
Pogledajte obod zupčanika, i sve ove sitne tačkice, rupice po njegovoj površini. To nije "one piece machined".
Može i da se klikne na sliku da se dodatno uveliča.   :eek:

(https://s7.postimg.cc/hrw0ji47v/pogonski.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/wnujr3fmf/)

Kineski pinion. Risevi, ogrebotine...
To je i  ono što razlikuje pravi Van Staal-a od kineskog "Sinjora" ! Završna obrada na prvom mestu.    :takoje: 


(https://s22.postimg.cc/577zmffpt/Pinion_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tayrapy6l/)


Slika za Sloba. Kad može Alan, možeš i ti ! I od sad na sve svoje analize pečat.    :ok:


(https://s4.postimg.cc/eldzclta5/Singnol.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/hs8iw8dq1/)

Mislim da nesto nije u redu sa ovom zadnjom slikom koju je postavio kolega Gagi, pogledajte u unutrasnjoj ivici kucista, linije od alata za rezanje,da su hteli da rezu iz olivka, izrezali bi celu povsinu,ne bi prekocili ovaj rosavi deo na koji pokazuje strelica, niti ovaj na pogonskom zubcaniku.Jedino logicno,da je komad metala bio manji nego sto treba,ili da ga je ostetio alat koji se pokvario.Da su pokusavali da rezu odlivak,pravili bi ga da ceo bude u plus-u u odnosu na gotov proizvod,mada mislim da su odlivci jako krti i da ih je nemoguce rezati,mozda nisam u pravu smiley033

nisi u pravu i to nikako. odlivci posle livenja idu na normalizaciju, da se otklone unutrasnji naponi nastali livenjem. o ovome ce kolega srdjo_ da ti napise vise, ja se dosta toga ne secam iz prve godine masinskog fakulteta, on je ipak zavrsio taj smer.
drugo, tragovi alata se vide i na donjem rubu kucista, sve do ruba na desnoj strani slike do malo iznad one dve rupe, gde je zid dosta tanji, i oni su nastali usled vibracija i verovatno loseg prihvata odlivka. ima tu jos mnogo stvari koje mogu uticati. to mogu ja da ti opisem, ja sam taj smer bio  :wink:.

cini mi se da je slob u pravu, ovi bi trebalo da su losi odlivci ali teoretski gledano i nisu. sve greske sto su nastale (sem greske kod zipcanika), ne uticu na mehanicku funkciju masinice. odnosno, ne nalaze se na bitnim mestima, stoga, ne uticu na rad i kvalitet. sigurno da nije lepo videti takve greske kad platis 200+ dolara za nesto ali morali su negde ustedeti.

ali po meni poenta svega, da lazu, lazu. i to je ono sto je najgore...

Gagi,
Gde ih nađe!  :thumbup:
Ako sam ja Alan Hawk onda si ti inspektor Poaro! Vukovi mogu mirno da spavaju! :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

Evo još malo uvećana slika koju si postavio.

(https://s19.postimg.cc/jskg84j3n/Ma_insko_rezanje.jpg)

Ovde se jasno vidi šupljikava struktura liva a ne tragovi reznog alata. Očigledno je da ne treba "mašinski rezano" da prihvatamo -zdravo za gotovo.

laki22,
Kad kažu "mašinski rezano" možda i ne lažu, već je možda u pitanje  prevođenja sa raznih jezika. Možda ta fraza znači samo "mašinski obrađeno-dorađeno rezanjem" a ne rezano iz komada, kako mi priželjkujemo, a koje ipak može jasno da se vidi na skupim mašinicama koje je i Gagi spomenuo, Van Staal, a ja bih dodao i Zeebas, Omoto Severo, ....ima ih još.

Ovo je Seaside, mada je ima i kao Singnol, Lizard, itd...
Germina je našao ovaj link sa slikama.  smiley033

https://jeanpaulcharles.wordpress.com/2016/04/08/le-moulinet-seaside-fishing-bk-5000/

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Samo celik i bronza dal tanjir dal puz,to priznajem..dokazano decenijama na raznim masinicama,sve je ovo musavo i lose odradjeno i nije celik i bronza